a common argument Raised by muslims is the Outdated Theory that the torah has come from 4 sources.
first this theory is outdated among the Scholarly Community,but recently i have seen muslims use it.
let us see the implications if this were True:
first,if true ,this would not only prove torah to be False,it wouldn''t confirm islam either,because both of us believe in the Exodus,conquest of canaan,and torah given to moses.Shlomo Sand denies all of this.
Second if true ,all the References to jews in the quran in the times of the prophets (5 :44),would be false,thus both religions would be dfalse.\
i hope muslims Think before applying atheist theories.
for a Refutation to these theories see :
http://www.christianthinktank.com/qmomoz.html
http://www.christianthinktank.com/qmoses1.html
maandag 16 mei 2011
The word ''Jew''in the tanakh,and muslim!??
a common objection i get from muslims is that the word Yahudi or Yahadut,they claim is nowhere in the qu'ran and that god forbid,we are named after Yahudah ben Yaqob.
The funny thing is Yahudah ben Yaqob''s Aunt was named Yahudith.
Yahud comes from the Same root as Al-Hadda(judaism in Arabic)A-Huda(guidance in Arabic)Mahdi(Guided one in Arabic),Hadi(guide in Arabic) and Yahdi (He guides)it signifies one who follows the guidance.
first let us Stress the name is not Important.Through out history the true followers of prophets have been called many Things,The Fearers of heaven,the submitters and the jews.
0 I myself will stay at Mizpah to represent you before the Babylonians who come to us, but you are to harvest the wine, summer fruit and olive oil, and put them in your storage jars, and live in the towns you have taken over."
11 When all the JEWS in Moab, Ammon, Edom and all the other countries heard that the king of Babylon had left a remnant in Judah and had appointed Gedaliah son of Ahikam, the son of Shaphan, as governor over them, 12 they all came back to the land of Judah, to Gedaliah at Mizpah, from all the countries where they had been scattered. And they harvested an abundance of wine and summer fruit.
Jeremiah 40:10-12
9 "While the Jews are watching, take some large stones with you and bury them in clay in the brick pavement at the entrance to Pharaoh's palace in Tahpanhes.
Jeremiah 43:9
Daniel 3:8
8 At this time some astrologers came forward and denounced the JEWS.
Daniel 3:12
12 But there are some JEWS whom you have set over the affairs of the province of Babylon—Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego—who pay no attention to you, Your Majesty. They neither serve your gods nor worship the image of gold you have set up."
Ezra 6:7
7 Do not interfere with the work on this temple of God. Let the governor of the JEWS and the JEWISH elders rebuild this house of God on its site.
Ezra 5:5
5 But the eye of their God was watching over the elders of the JEWS , and they were not stopped until a report could go to Darius and his written reply be received.
SEE
Ezra 4:23
Ezra 5:1
Ezra 6:8
Ezra 6:14
Nehemiah 2:16
Nehemiah 4:1
Nehemiah 4:2
Nehemiah 4:12
Nehemiah 5:1
Nehemiah 5:5
Nehemiah 5:8
Nehemiah 5:17
Nehemiah 6:6
Esther 3:1
Esther 3:6
Esther 3:10
Esther 3:13
Esther 4:3
Esther 4:7
Esther 4:13
Esther 4:14
Esther 4:16
Esther 8:1
Second the word muslim ,is used in the tanakh ,in the Aramaic Version Called the Targum(wich was in wide use in Muhammad's time by Arabic jews)refering to non-Jewish Believers as ''muslimai''.this term for monotheistic belivers was popular among Jews in Arabia who till this day Read the Targum out loud.Thus we Can see where muhammad might of got the name for his Followers From.
The funny thing is Yahudah ben Yaqob''s Aunt was named Yahudith.
Yahud comes from the Same root as Al-Hadda(judaism in Arabic)A-Huda(guidance in Arabic)Mahdi(Guided one in Arabic),Hadi(guide in Arabic) and Yahdi (He guides)it signifies one who follows the guidance.
first let us Stress the name is not Important.Through out history the true followers of prophets have been called many Things,The Fearers of heaven,the submitters and the jews.
0 I myself will stay at Mizpah to represent you before the Babylonians who come to us, but you are to harvest the wine, summer fruit and olive oil, and put them in your storage jars, and live in the towns you have taken over."
11 When all the JEWS in Moab, Ammon, Edom and all the other countries heard that the king of Babylon had left a remnant in Judah and had appointed Gedaliah son of Ahikam, the son of Shaphan, as governor over them, 12 they all came back to the land of Judah, to Gedaliah at Mizpah, from all the countries where they had been scattered. And they harvested an abundance of wine and summer fruit.
Jeremiah 40:10-12
9 "While the Jews are watching, take some large stones with you and bury them in clay in the brick pavement at the entrance to Pharaoh's palace in Tahpanhes.
Jeremiah 43:9
Daniel 3:8
8 At this time some astrologers came forward and denounced the JEWS.
Daniel 3:12
12 But there are some JEWS whom you have set over the affairs of the province of Babylon—Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego—who pay no attention to you, Your Majesty. They neither serve your gods nor worship the image of gold you have set up."
Ezra 6:7
7 Do not interfere with the work on this temple of God. Let the governor of the JEWS and the JEWISH elders rebuild this house of God on its site.
Ezra 5:5
5 But the eye of their God was watching over the elders of the JEWS , and they were not stopped until a report could go to Darius and his written reply be received.
SEE
Ezra 4:23
Ezra 5:1
Ezra 6:8
Ezra 6:14
Nehemiah 2:16
Nehemiah 4:1
Nehemiah 4:2
Nehemiah 4:12
Nehemiah 5:1
Nehemiah 5:5
Nehemiah 5:8
Nehemiah 5:17
Nehemiah 6:6
Esther 3:1
Esther 3:6
Esther 3:10
Esther 3:13
Esther 4:3
Esther 4:7
Esther 4:13
Esther 4:14
Esther 4:16
Esther 8:1
Second the word muslim ,is used in the tanakh ,in the Aramaic Version Called the Targum(wich was in wide use in Muhammad's time by Arabic jews)refering to non-Jewish Believers as ''muslimai''.this term for monotheistic belivers was popular among Jews in Arabia who till this day Read the Targum out loud.Thus we Can see where muhammad might of got the name for his Followers From.
The qu'ran claims muhammad was not a Servant of god!
As for My servants, no authority shalt thou have over them:" Enough is thy Lord for a Disposer of affairs.
—Qurʾān (Yusuf Ali's translation), sura 17 (Al-Isra), ayah 65[11]
Never sent We a messenger or a prophet before thee but when He recited (the message) Satan proposed (opposition) in respect of that which he recited thereof. But Allah abolisheth that which Satan proposeth. Then Allah establisheth His revelations. Allah is Knower, Wise;
That He may make that which the devil proposeth a temptation for those in whose hearts is a disease, and those whose hearts are hardened –Lo! the evil-doers are in open schism. (22:52,53)
There is a Problem with this,first the qu'ran claims satan has no Way against the mukhlaseen,Thus Saying the Prophets Are not mukhlaseen,Second According to the torah a Prophet who speasks in the name of a False god Should be Put to Death.Thus if this Verse is true,all Prophets Should be Put to Death.
However,Muhammad was put under a Magic spell by the Jew Ibn Asam and was underthis spell for one Year.
thus Surat al-falaq was ''''revealed''to put away magic.
plus The qu'ran claims muhammad was Misguided.
:
surat duha ayat 7
: And He found thee Misguided(mudhal), so He guided thee
surat duha ayat 8 :
And he found thee destitute, so He enriched thee.
(Well this verse refutes the claims muhammad was poor,After all he did have right to 1/5th of the War booty!)
thus the question Arises,Was Muhammad a Prophet and Servant of G-d?
None feels Secure from the Deception of God save the Losers?
God is not man (ish), that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should repent. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfil it?" Numbers 23:19
"And also the Glory of Israel will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent." 1 Samuel 15:29
But they were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30
Other texts that identify Allah as a makr include:
Are they then secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi) save folk that are losers. S. 7:99
So they schemed a scheme: and We schemed a scheme (Wamakaroo makran wamakarna makran), while they perceived not. S. 27:50
And when We would destroy a township We send commandment to its folk who live at ease, AND AFTERWARD they commit abomination therein, and so the Word (of doom) hath effect for it, and we annihilate it with complete annihilation. S. 17:16 Pickthall
ALLAH LIED TO MUHAMMAD ACCORDING TO THE QURAN
When Allah showed them to you in your dream as few; and if He had shown them to you as many you would certainly have become weak-hearted and you would have disputed about the matter, but Allah saved (you); surely He is the Knower of what is in the breasts. And when He showed them to you, when you met, as few in your eyes and He made you to appear little in their eyes, in order that Allah might bring about a matter which was to be done, and to Allah are all affairs returned. S. 8:43-44 Shakir
Compare this with :
Early in the morning, Jerub-Baal (that is, Gideon) and all his men camped at the spring of Harod. The camp of Midian was north of them in the valley near the hill of Moreh. The LORD said to Gideon, 'You have too many men for me to deliver Midian into their hands. In order that Israel may not boast against me that her own strength has saved her, announce now to the people, "Anyone who trembles with fear may turn back and leave Mount Gilead."' So twenty-two thousand men left, while ten thousand remained. But the LORD said to Gideon, 'There are still too many men. Take them down to the water, and I will sift them for you there. If I say, "This one shall go with you," he shall go; but if I say, "This one shall not go with you," he shall not go.' So Gideon took the men down to the water. There the LORD told him, 'Separate those who lap the water with their tongues like a dog from those who kneel down to drink.' Three hundred men lapped with their hands to their mouths. All the rest got down on their knees to drink. The LORD said to Gideon, 'With the three hundred men that lapped I will save you and give the Midianites into your hands. Let all the other men go, each to his own place.' So Gideon sent the rest of the Israelites to their tents but kept the three hundred, who took over the provisions and trumpets of the others. Now the camp of Midian lay below him in the valley." Judges 7:1-8 NIV
Say to them, 'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, O house of Israel?Ezekiel 33:11
What we See is that :
1.Allah According to the qu'ran Decieves.(Qu'ran 3:54)
2.Hashem Does not lie(Numbers 23:19)
3.Allah,According to the Quran ,makes people commit evil so he has a Excuse to destroy them.(Qu'ran 17:16)
4.My God ,our Loving Father,hates to destroy the wicked but rather have them Turn to his torahEzekiel 33:11
it's Torah vs Qu'ran you decide.even if qu'ran were True,would you WANT to follow a Book wich Claims allah Said:''Are they then secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi) save folk that are losers. S. 7:99
"And also the Glory of Israel will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent." 1 Samuel 15:29
But they were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30
Other texts that identify Allah as a makr include:
Are they then secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi) save folk that are losers. S. 7:99
So they schemed a scheme: and We schemed a scheme (Wamakaroo makran wamakarna makran), while they perceived not. S. 27:50
And when We would destroy a township We send commandment to its folk who live at ease, AND AFTERWARD they commit abomination therein, and so the Word (of doom) hath effect for it, and we annihilate it with complete annihilation. S. 17:16 Pickthall
ALLAH LIED TO MUHAMMAD ACCORDING TO THE QURAN
When Allah showed them to you in your dream as few; and if He had shown them to you as many you would certainly have become weak-hearted and you would have disputed about the matter, but Allah saved (you); surely He is the Knower of what is in the breasts. And when He showed them to you, when you met, as few in your eyes and He made you to appear little in their eyes, in order that Allah might bring about a matter which was to be done, and to Allah are all affairs returned. S. 8:43-44 Shakir
Compare this with :
Early in the morning, Jerub-Baal (that is, Gideon) and all his men camped at the spring of Harod. The camp of Midian was north of them in the valley near the hill of Moreh. The LORD said to Gideon, 'You have too many men for me to deliver Midian into their hands. In order that Israel may not boast against me that her own strength has saved her, announce now to the people, "Anyone who trembles with fear may turn back and leave Mount Gilead."' So twenty-two thousand men left, while ten thousand remained. But the LORD said to Gideon, 'There are still too many men. Take them down to the water, and I will sift them for you there. If I say, "This one shall go with you," he shall go; but if I say, "This one shall not go with you," he shall not go.' So Gideon took the men down to the water. There the LORD told him, 'Separate those who lap the water with their tongues like a dog from those who kneel down to drink.' Three hundred men lapped with their hands to their mouths. All the rest got down on their knees to drink. The LORD said to Gideon, 'With the three hundred men that lapped I will save you and give the Midianites into your hands. Let all the other men go, each to his own place.' So Gideon sent the rest of the Israelites to their tents but kept the three hundred, who took over the provisions and trumpets of the others. Now the camp of Midian lay below him in the valley." Judges 7:1-8 NIV
Say to them, 'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, O house of Israel?Ezekiel 33:11
What we See is that :
1.Allah According to the qu'ran Decieves.(Qu'ran 3:54)
2.Hashem Does not lie(Numbers 23:19)
3.Allah,According to the Quran ,makes people commit evil so he has a Excuse to destroy them.(Qu'ran 17:16)
4.My God ,our Loving Father,hates to destroy the wicked but rather have them Turn to his torahEzekiel 33:11
it's Torah vs Qu'ran you decide.even if qu'ran were True,would you WANT to follow a Book wich Claims allah Said:''Are they then secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi) save folk that are losers. S. 7:99
The Jews,Torah and corruption,what is the truth?
Not all of them are alike. Some of the People of the Book are an upright people. They recite the signs (or verses) of God in the night season and they bow down worshipping. They believe in God and the last day. They command what is just, and forbid what is wrong and they hasten in good works, and they are of the righteous. S. 3:113-114
"Of the people of Moses there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth ... After them succeeded an (evil) generation: They inherited the Book, but they chose (for themselves) the vanities of this world, saying (for excuse): '(Everything) will be forgiven us.' (Even so), if similar vanities came their way, they would (again) seize them. Was not the covenant of the Book taken from them, that they would not ascribe to Allah anything but the truth? AND THEY STUDY WHAT IS IN THE BOOK. But best for the righteous is the home in the Hereafter. Will ye not understand? As to those WHO HOLD FAST BY THE BOOK and establish regular prayer, - never shall We suffer the reward of the righteous to perish." S. 7:159, 169-170 A. Yusuf Ali
But why do they come to thee for decision, WHEN THEY HAVE TORAH - THEREIN IS THE COMMAND OF ALLAH; yet even after that, they would turn away. For they are not (really) People of Faith. It was We who revealed the Torah (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islám) to Allah's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear Me, and sell not My signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are unbelievers. We ordained therein for them: 'Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.' But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are wrong-doers." S. 5:43-45
"And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, CONFIRMING THE TORAH THAT CAME BEFORE HIM: We sent him the Gospel: therein IS guidance and light, AND CONFIRMATION OF THE TORAH THAT HAD COME BEFORE HIM: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah. Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel." S. 5:46-47
Qur'an 2:89 "...a book from Allah verifying that which they have."
Qur'an 2:91 "...verifying that which they have."
Qur'an 2:101 "..threw the book of Allah behind their backs as if they knew nothing."
Qur'an 2:101 "..a messenger from Allah verifying that which they have."
Qur'an 2:140 "he who conceals a testimony that he has from Allah."
Qur'an 3:81 "...verifying that which is with you."
Qur'an 4:47 "...verifying what you have."
Qur'an 5:43 "They HAVE the Taurat wherein is Allah's Judgment."
Qur'an 20:133 "...has there not come clear evidence of what is in the previous books?"
But if you are in doubt as to what We have revealed to you, ask those who read the Book before you; certainly the truth has come to you from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the disputers.
Qur'an 10:94
Sura 7:156-157:
"And I will write down (my mercy) for those who are righteous and give alms and who believe in our signs; who follow the apostle, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in the Torah and the Gospel THAT IS WITH THEM.
Sura 5:71:
"Say, O People of the Book! You are not (founded) on anything UNTIL you PERFORM the TORAH and the GOSPEL, and what was revealed to you from your Lord."
Sura 3:93-94:
"All food was lawful to the children of Israel except what Israel made unlawful for itself before the Torah was revealed. Say, `BRING the TORAH and READ it, if you are men of truth.' If any, after this, invent a lie and attribute it to God, they are indeed transgressors."
Sura. 28:48-49:
"But when the truth has come to them from Us, they say: `why is he not given the like of what was given to Moses?' Did they not disbelieve in that which was given to Moses before? They say: `Two kinds of magic (the Torah and the Quran) each helping the other!' And they say: `Verily! In both we are disbelievers.' Say (to them, O Muhammad): `Then bring a Book from Allah, which is a better guide than these TWO (the Torah and the Quran), that I may follow it, if you are truthful.'"
( muslims ALWAYS say produce poetry like the quran,yet the ''bring a surah like it Challenge ''also refers to the Torah!if the Torah were not available,how could people fulfill the Challenge?)
Sura 2:113:
"The Jews say, `The Christians are not (founded) upon anything.' And the Christians say, `The Jews are not (founded) upon anything.' And yet THEY READ THE BOOK."
Sura 3:79:
"It is not for a man to whom is given the Book and wisdom and prophecy that he should then say to people, `Be worshippers of me in place of God.' But rather, `Be true teachers (rabbáníyín), since you TEACH the BOOK and you STUDY IT EARNESTLY."
(muhammad is telling us to Be Rabbis)
Sura 5:48:
"To you (Muhammad) We revealed the book in truth, attesting to that which IS between his hands from the scripture , and guarding it (wa muhaiminan `alaihi).
Sura 10:37:
"This Quran is not such as can be produced by other than God; but it is a verification of that (the Torah and Gospel) which IS between his (its) hands, and the explanation of the Book, WHEREIN THERE IS NO DOUBT, from the Lord of the worlds."
Sura 46:12:
"And before this was the Book of Moses as a guide and a mercy: and this Book is a verification (of it) in the Arabic tongue to warn those who transgress and as glad tidings to the righteous."
Sura 26:192-197:
"And lo! It is a revelation of the Lord of the Worlds, which the True Spirit hath brought down upon thy heart, that thou mayest be (one) of the warners, In Plain Arabic Speech. And lo! It is in the Scriptures of the men of old. Is it not a token for them that the doctors of the children of Israel know it?"
Ayah 15:9 [Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr and surely, We will guard it],
Muslims always use this to say god WILL guard the quran but WAIT
In the past We granted to Moses and Aaron the Criterion (al-Furqana) (for judgment), And a Light and a Message (Zikra) for those who would do right." [S. 21:48]
"Before this, We wrote in the Psalms, after THE REMINDER (Zhikri): `My servants, the righteous, shall inherit the earth.'" [S. 21:105]
THE TORAH IS ALSO THE DHIKR
2.The quran only says some people distorted the Book with THEIR tongues:
S. 2:79, but rather to the following verses:
There is among them a section who distort the Book WITH THEIR TONGUES: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, "That is from Allah," but it is not from Allah. It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! S. 3:78
Al- Qur'an Says that the Bible:
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"No change can there be in the Words of Allah (Sura 10:64)
"There is none that can alter the Words of Allah (Sura 6:34)
We have a PROBLEM:
1.if we Believe the Quran,i.e affirm the torah,we cant be muslim,as the Two books Contradict.
2.if we Claim the Torah is Corrupted we can't Be muslim as we are denying :No change can there be in the Words of Allah (Sura 10:64)
"There is none that can alter the Words of Allah (Sura 6:34)
"Of the people of Moses there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth ... After them succeeded an (evil) generation: They inherited the Book, but they chose (for themselves) the vanities of this world, saying (for excuse): '(Everything) will be forgiven us.' (Even so), if similar vanities came their way, they would (again) seize them. Was not the covenant of the Book taken from them, that they would not ascribe to Allah anything but the truth? AND THEY STUDY WHAT IS IN THE BOOK. But best for the righteous is the home in the Hereafter. Will ye not understand? As to those WHO HOLD FAST BY THE BOOK and establish regular prayer, - never shall We suffer the reward of the righteous to perish." S. 7:159, 169-170 A. Yusuf Ali
But why do they come to thee for decision, WHEN THEY HAVE TORAH - THEREIN IS THE COMMAND OF ALLAH; yet even after that, they would turn away. For they are not (really) People of Faith. It was We who revealed the Torah (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islám) to Allah's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear Me, and sell not My signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are unbelievers. We ordained therein for them: 'Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.' But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are wrong-doers." S. 5:43-45
"And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, CONFIRMING THE TORAH THAT CAME BEFORE HIM: We sent him the Gospel: therein IS guidance and light, AND CONFIRMATION OF THE TORAH THAT HAD COME BEFORE HIM: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah. Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel." S. 5:46-47
Qur'an 2:89 "...a book from Allah verifying that which they have."
Qur'an 2:91 "...verifying that which they have."
Qur'an 2:101 "..threw the book of Allah behind their backs as if they knew nothing."
Qur'an 2:101 "..a messenger from Allah verifying that which they have."
Qur'an 2:140 "he who conceals a testimony that he has from Allah."
Qur'an 3:81 "...verifying that which is with you."
Qur'an 4:47 "...verifying what you have."
Qur'an 5:43 "They HAVE the Taurat wherein is Allah's Judgment."
Qur'an 20:133 "...has there not come clear evidence of what is in the previous books?"
But if you are in doubt as to what We have revealed to you, ask those who read the Book before you; certainly the truth has come to you from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the disputers.
Qur'an 10:94
Sura 7:156-157:
"And I will write down (my mercy) for those who are righteous and give alms and who believe in our signs; who follow the apostle, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in the Torah and the Gospel THAT IS WITH THEM.
Sura 5:71:
"Say, O People of the Book! You are not (founded) on anything UNTIL you PERFORM the TORAH and the GOSPEL, and what was revealed to you from your Lord."
Sura 3:93-94:
"All food was lawful to the children of Israel except what Israel made unlawful for itself before the Torah was revealed. Say, `BRING the TORAH and READ it, if you are men of truth.' If any, after this, invent a lie and attribute it to God, they are indeed transgressors."
Sura. 28:48-49:
"But when the truth has come to them from Us, they say: `why is he not given the like of what was given to Moses?' Did they not disbelieve in that which was given to Moses before? They say: `Two kinds of magic (the Torah and the Quran) each helping the other!' And they say: `Verily! In both we are disbelievers.' Say (to them, O Muhammad): `Then bring a Book from Allah, which is a better guide than these TWO (the Torah and the Quran), that I may follow it, if you are truthful.'"
( muslims ALWAYS say produce poetry like the quran,yet the ''bring a surah like it Challenge ''also refers to the Torah!if the Torah were not available,how could people fulfill the Challenge?)
Sura 2:113:
"The Jews say, `The Christians are not (founded) upon anything.' And the Christians say, `The Jews are not (founded) upon anything.' And yet THEY READ THE BOOK."
Sura 3:79:
"It is not for a man to whom is given the Book and wisdom and prophecy that he should then say to people, `Be worshippers of me in place of God.' But rather, `Be true teachers (rabbáníyín), since you TEACH the BOOK and you STUDY IT EARNESTLY."
(muhammad is telling us to Be Rabbis)
Sura 5:48:
"To you (Muhammad) We revealed the book in truth, attesting to that which IS between his hands from the scripture , and guarding it (wa muhaiminan `alaihi).
Sura 10:37:
"This Quran is not such as can be produced by other than God; but it is a verification of that (the Torah and Gospel) which IS between his (its) hands, and the explanation of the Book, WHEREIN THERE IS NO DOUBT, from the Lord of the worlds."
Sura 46:12:
"And before this was the Book of Moses as a guide and a mercy: and this Book is a verification (of it) in the Arabic tongue to warn those who transgress and as glad tidings to the righteous."
Sura 26:192-197:
"And lo! It is a revelation of the Lord of the Worlds, which the True Spirit hath brought down upon thy heart, that thou mayest be (one) of the warners, In Plain Arabic Speech. And lo! It is in the Scriptures of the men of old. Is it not a token for them that the doctors of the children of Israel know it?"
Ayah 15:9 [Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr and surely, We will guard it],
Muslims always use this to say god WILL guard the quran but WAIT
In the past We granted to Moses and Aaron the Criterion (al-Furqana) (for judgment), And a Light and a Message (Zikra) for those who would do right." [S. 21:48]
"Before this, We wrote in the Psalms, after THE REMINDER (Zhikri): `My servants, the righteous, shall inherit the earth.'" [S. 21:105]
THE TORAH IS ALSO THE DHIKR
2.The quran only says some people distorted the Book with THEIR tongues:
S. 2:79, but rather to the following verses:
There is among them a section who distort the Book WITH THEIR TONGUES: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, "That is from Allah," but it is not from Allah. It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! S. 3:78
Al- Qur'an Says that the Bible:
- Was in the possession of Yahya, Mary and Jesus - 3:48; 19:12; 66:12
- Was with or in the possession of the Jews of Muhammad's day
- 2:41,89,91,101,140; 3:81; 4:47; 5:43; 16:43-44; 21:7 - Was shown in public by them - 6:92
- Was heard by them - 2:75
- Was believed in by them - 2:85,91,121; 11:17
- Was read (qaraa) by them and the Christians - 10:94
- Was studied (darasa) by them and the Christians - 3:79; 6:156; 7:169
- Was recited (talawa) by them and the Christians - 2:44,113,121; 3:93,113;
"with true recitation" - 2:121 - Was available to Muhammad - 3:93; 28:49
- Was available to anyone in Muhammad's time and could be called upon to determine truth in theological disputes - 3:23,93; 7:157; 26:196-197; 46:10; 53:36-38; and was in fact used by a Jew in comparison to the Qur'an - 46:10 (see Ibn Ishaq, pp 240-241).
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"No change can there be in the Words of Allah (Sura 10:64)
"There is none that can alter the Words of Allah (Sura 6:34)
We have a PROBLEM:
1.if we Believe the Quran,i.e affirm the torah,we cant be muslim,as the Two books Contradict.
2.if we Claim the Torah is Corrupted we can't Be muslim as we are denying :No change can there be in the Words of Allah (Sura 10:64)
"There is none that can alter the Words of Allah (Sura 6:34)
Why Believe in Torah Above later Books?
In this Article i wish to Explain The Reason Both Jesus and Muhammad have been Rejected among the People of Israel in the Last 1400 Years.I do not Wish to Offend Anyone,but To Make cleary.
First ,the Torah Standard Between True Prophet and False Prophet is As follows:
Deuteronomy 13 1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is TESTING you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his COMMANDMENTS and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
2 Kings 23
3 The king stood by the pillar and RENEWED the covenant in the presence of the LORD—to follow the LORD and keep his COMMANDS, STATUTES and DECREES with all his heart and all his soul, thus confirming the words of the covenant written in this book. Then all the people pledged themselves to the covenant.
4 The king ordered Hilkiah the high priest, the priests next in rank and the doorkeepers to remove from the temple of the LORD all the articles made for Baal and Asherah and all the starry hosts. He burned them outside Jerusalem in the fields of the Kidron Valley and took the ashes to Bethel. 5 He did away with the idolatrous priests appointed by the kings of Judah to burn incense on the high places of the towns of Judah and on those around Jerusalem—those who burned incense to Baal, to the sun and moon, to the constellations and to all the starry hosts. 6 He took the Asherah pole from the temple of the LORD to the Kidron Valley outside Jerusalem and burned it there. He ground it to powder and scattered the dust over the graves of the common people. 7 He also tore down the quarters of the male shrine prostitutes that were in the temple of the LORD, the quarters where women did weaving for Asherah.
8 Josiah brought all the priests from the towns of Judah and desecrated the high places, from Geba to Beersheba, where the priests had burned incense. He broke down the gateway at the entrance of the Gate of Joshua, the city governor, which was on the left of the city gate. 9 Although the priests of the high places did not serve at the altar of the LORD in Jerusalem, they ate unleavened bread with their fellow priests.
10 He desecrated Topheth, which was in the Valley of Ben Hinnom, so no one could use it to sacrifice their son or daughter in the fire to Molek. 11 He removed from the entrance to the temple of the LORD the horses that the kings of Judah had dedicated to the sun. They were in the court[a] near the room of an official named Nathan-Melek. Josiah then burned the chariots dedicated to the sun.
12 He pulled down the altars the kings of Judah had erected on the roof near the upper room of Ahaz, and the altars Manasseh had built in the two courts of the temple of the LORD. He removed them from there, smashed them to pieces and threw the rubble into the Kidron Valley. 13 The king also desecrated the high places that were east of Jerusalem on the south of the Hill of Corruption—the ones Solomon king of Israel had built for Ashtoreth the vile goddess of the Sidonians, for Chemosh the vile god of Moab, and for Molek the detestable god of the people of Ammon. 14 Josiah smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles and covered the sites with human bones.
15 Even the altar at Bethel, the high place made by Jeroboam son of Nebat, who had caused Israel to sin—even that altar and high place he demolished. He burned the high place and ground it to powder, and burned the Asherah pole also. 16 Then Josiah looked around, and when he saw the tombs that were there on the hillside, he had the bones removed from them and burned on the altar to defile it, in accordance with the word of the LORD proclaimed by the man of God who foretold these things.
17 The king asked, "What is that tombstone I see?"
The people of the city said, "It marks the tomb of the man of God who came from Judah and pronounced against the altar of Bethel the very things you have done to it."
18 "Leave it alone," he said. "Don't let anyone disturb his bones." So they spared his bones and those of the prophet who had come from Samaria.
19 Just as he had done at Bethel, Josiah removed all the shrines at the high places that the kings of Israel had built in the towns of Samaria and that had aroused the LORD's anger. 20 Josiah slaughtered all the priests of those high places on the altars and burned human bones on them. Then he went back to Jerusalem.
21 The king gave this order to all the people: "Celebrate the Passover to the LORD your God, as it is written in this Book of the Covenant." 22 Neither in the days of the judges who led Israel nor in the days of the kings of Israel and the kings of Judah had any such Passover been observed. 23 But in the eighteenth year of King Josiah, this Passover was celebrated to the LORD in Jerusalem.
24 Furthermore, Josiah got rid of the mediums and spiritists, the household gods, the idols and all the other detestable things seen in Judah and Jerusalem. This he did to fulfill the requirements of the law written in the book that Hilkiah the priest had discovered in the temple of the LORD. 25 Neither before nor after Josiah was there a king like him who turned to the LORD as he did—with all his heart and with all his soul and with all his strength, in accordance with all the LAW OF MOSES.
Thus as We See the Law of Moses Was Being Practiced after the Time of solomon.
Deuteronomy 30
1 When all these blessings and curses I have set before you come on you and you take them to heart wherever the LORD your God disperses you among the nations, 2 and when you and your children return to the LORD your God and obey him with all your heart and with all your soul according to everything I command you today,
3 then the LORD your God will restore your fortunes[a] and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you.
4 Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the LORD your God will gather you and bring you back.
5 He will bring you to the land that belonged to your ancestors, and you will take possession of it. He will make you more prosperous and numerous than your ancestors. 6 The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.
7 The LORD your God will put all these curses on your enemies who hate and persecute you. 8 You will AGAIN obey the LORD and follow all his commands I am giving you TODAY.
9 Then the LORD your God will make you most prosperous in all the work of your hands and in the fruit of your womb, the young of your livestock and the crops of your land. The LORD will AGAIN delight in you and make you prosperous, just as he delighted in your ancestors,
10 if you obey the LORD your God and keep his commands and decrees that are written in THIS Torah and turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
11 Now what I am commanding you today is *******NOT ****** too difficult for you or beyond your reach. 12 It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, "Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" 13 ****Nor is it beyond the sea,****** so that you have to ask, "Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" 14 No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.
(Didn't Paul say the law is a Burden noone can keep?isn't this what Christians always Say?)
15 See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. 16 For I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to ******keep his commands, decrees and laws;***** then you will live and increase, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess.
(this shows that the purpose of the law is life,the reason god gave us israel is to practice the law)
17 But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, 18 I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed. You will not live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess.
2 Chronicles 6
16 "Now, LORD, the God of Israel, keep for your servant David my father the promises you made to him when you said, 'You shall never fail to have a successor to sit before me on the throne of Israel, if only your descendants are careful in all they do to walk before me according to my LAW, as you have done.'
17 And now, LORD, the God of Israel, let your word that you promised your servant David come true.
****** 18 "But will God really dwell on earth with humans? The heavens, even the highest heavens, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built! *******
19 Yet, LORD my God, give attention to your servant's prayer and his plea for mercy. Hear the cry and the prayer that your servant is praying in your presence.
20 May your eyes be open toward this temple day and night, this place of which you said you would put your Name there. May you hear the prayer your servant prays toward this place. 21 Hear the supplications of your servant and of your people Israel when they pray toward this place. Hear from heaven, your dwelling place; and when you hear, forgive.
I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I turn and devastate Ephraim. For I am God, and not man--the Holy One among you. I will not come in wrath.
Hosea 11:9
"I the LORD do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.Malachi 3:6
Psalm 102:27 But you remain the same, and your years will never end.
This is a permanent law for generations to come wherever you live: Never eat any fat or blood."Leviticus 3:17
Genesis 9:12
And God said, "This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come:
Genesis 17:7
I will establish my covenant as an EVERLASTING covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you.
Exodus 31:16
The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a LASTING covenant.
Leviticus 23:31
You shall do no work at all. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live.
(the word lasting here is u3lem wich means forever)
Numbers 15:15
The community is to have the same rules for you and for the foreigner residing among you; this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the foreigner shall be the same before the LORD:
(this refers to Converts)
Genesis 17:8
The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God."
(so much for Palestine being for the muslims)
Genesis 17:19
Then God said, "Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.
1 Chronicles 16:17
He confirmed it to Jacob as a decree, to Israel as an everlasting covenant:
Psalm 119:142
Your righteousness is everlasting and your law is true.
Isaiah 24:5
The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the laws, violated the statutes and broken the everlasting covenant.
Isaiah 45:17
But Israel will be saved by the LORD with an everlasting salvation; you will never be put to shame or disgraced, to ages everlasting.
Isaiah 55:3
Give ear and come to me; listen, that you may live. I will make an everlasting covenant with you, my faithful love promised to David.
(i.e the Messiah wich muslims Believe is the Dajjal!)
Isaiah 60:15
"Although you have been forsaken and hated, with no one traveling through, I will make you the everlasting pride and the joy of all generations.
Isaiah 61:8
"For I, the LORD, love justice; I hate robbery and wrongdoing. In my faithfulness I will reward my people and make an everlasting covenant with them.
Jeremiah 32:40
I will make an everlasting covenant with them: I will never stop doing good to them, and I will inspire them to fear me, so that they will never turn away from me.
Jeremiah 50:5
They will ask the way to Zion and turn their faces toward it. They will come and bind themselves to the LORD in an everlasting covenant that will not be forgotten.
Ezekiel 16:60
Yet I will remember the covenant I made with you in the days of your youth, and I will establish an everlasting covenant with you.
Ezekiel 37:26
I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and increase their numbers, and I will put my sanctuary among them forever.
Psalm 111:5-9
"He has given food to those who revere Him;
He will remember His covenant FOREVER
He has made known to His people the power of His works,
In giving them the heritage of the nations.
The works of His hands are true and just;
All His precepts are certain.
They are upheld forever and ever;
They are carried out in truth and uprightness.
He has sent deliverance to His people;
He has ordained His covenant FOREVER
Holy and awesome is His name."
Psalm 105:8-11, 45
He has remembered His covenant FOREVER
The word which He ordered to a thousand generations,
The covenant that He made with Abraham,
And His oath to Isaac.
Then He confirmed it to Jacob as a statute,
To Israel as a covenant EVELASTING
Saying, "To you I shall give the land of Canaan,
As the portion of your inheritance,"
....In order that they shall keep His statutes and observe His laws,
Praise the L-RD!
Psalm 119:44 "So I will keep Your Torah - continually forever and ever."
Psalm 119:111-112 "I have inherited Your testimonies forever, for they are the joy of my heart. For I have inclined my heart to do Your statutes forever, unto the end."
Psalm 119:144 "Your testimonies are forever right; Grant me understanding that I may live."
Psalm 119:152 "From long ago I have known your testimonies, that You have established them forever."
Leviticus 3:17 "It is a law forever throughout your generations in all your dwelling places.."
Leviticus 6:18 "it is a permanent law throughout all your generations.."
Leviticus 6:22 "by an eternal ordinance it shall be entirely offered.."
Leviticus 7:36 "it is an eternal law for their generations."
Leviticus 16:34 "Now this is to you an everlasting ordinance.."
Leviticus 16:29 "This is to you a permanent law.."
Leviticus 17:7 "This is to them for an everlasting law in all their generations.."
Leviticus 23:14 "is to you a perpetual ordinance in all your dwelling places throughout your generations.."
Numbers 15:15 "As for the community (of Israel), there shall be one law for you and for the one who converted and joined with you; An eternal Law throughout your generations, as you are, so shall the convert be before the ALL-TRANSCENDENT One."
Numbers 19:21 "So it is a law forever for them.."
A prophet or teacher (or preacher) who comes along and claims to believe that the 'Old Testament' is the Word of G-d, but at the same time believes that the 'Old Testament' is no longer applicable or valid, declares that the Almighty is a liar for saying all these statements listed here. In addition to this, anyone who teaches that the 'Old Testament' is abolished and is no longer applicable fulfills Deuteronomy 13:5 "But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams must be put to death, because he has instructed rebellion against the L-RD your G-d.....seducing you from the way in which the L-RD your G-d commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the wickedness from among you."
When this verse says 'the way in which the L-rd' commanded them to walk, it is referring to the Law of Moses, the Torah, as it plainly continues on to say:
"...heed the voice of the L-RD your Gd, by keeping all His commandments which I am commanding you today, and doing what is right in the sight of the L-RD your G-d." - Deuteronomy 13:18
"...the hidden things belong to the L-RD our G-d, but that which is revealed belongs to us and our sons forever to do all the words of this Torah."
- Deuteronomy 29:29
The Torah of the L-RD is whole, restoring the soul; The testimony of the L-RD is trustworthy, making the simple wise." - Psalm 19:7
"What all that I am commanding you, you shall not add to this Word, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the ALL-TRANSCENDENT your Exceedingly Powerful Authority, which I command you." - Deuteronomy 4:2
..that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he spoke bringing rebellion against the ALL-TRANSCENDENT your Exceedingly Powerful Authority, He Who brought you from the Land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery, (this false prophet has come) to seduce you to go away from the path in which the ALL-TRANSCENDENT your Exceedingly Powerful Authority commanded you to walk..." - Deuteronomy 13:5
The path that He commanded them to walk on is this same Torah (Law of Moses), as is clear from the context of this verse,
"...to walk after the ALL-TRANSCENDENT One, and to keep His commandments and His testimonies and His statues with all the heart and all the soul, to carry out the words of this covenant that were written in this Book,...according to all the Law of Moses." - II Kings 23:3,25
As is written, to walk contrary to THIS path is "to rebel against the ALL-TRANSCENDENT One." Therefore, ANYONE who teaches others to walk contrary to this Law of Moses is a false prophet worthy of the death penalty according to Deuteronomy 13:5.
The last book of the prophets, the Book of Malachi, ENDS with an admonition to remember the Torah (Law of Moses) before the "great and awesome day of the L-RD." Malachi 3:22 says,
"Remember the Law of Moses My servant, which I commanded him at Horeb, for all Israel - its decrees and statutes."
Thus as we can see from the Precise words of Hashem,his torahot and miswoth are Everlastingad can e changed by noone.
Ask Yourself Did jesus and His followers,and muhammad obey the torah or make their own laws?
To Those claiming the torah is corrupted(even though the Quran and hadith say that nowhere),Read Your own Verses:
The words of the Lord are perfect in truth and justice;
there is NONE who can change His words.
He both heareth and knoweth.
-- Sura 6:115
None can change the words of God;
-- Sura 6:34
There is no changing the words of God;
that is the mighty triumph.
-- Sura 10:64
And recite what has been revealed to you of the Book of your Lord,
there is none who can alter His words;
and you shall not find any refuge besides Him.
-- Sura 18:27
If you Say this refers to a ''lawhul mahfuz''preserved tablet.
2 problems Arise with this :
1.if someone is altering God's words in Canada,and not in spain,his words are STILL being altered,even if they are Kept perfectly in spain.
2.The qu'ran tells Us(the Jews)to judge by the torah,how can we Judge by something we don''t Have?
Q. 5:68
4.The qu'ran challenges the Pagans to Produce a book like the torah
Or do they say: He has forged it? Say: Then bring a chapter like this (mithlihi) and invite whom you can besides Allah, if you are truthful. S. 10:38
Or, do they say: He has forged it. Say: Then bring ten forged chapters like it (mithlihi) and call upon whom you can besides Allah, if you are truthful. S. 11:13
Say: If men and jinn should combine together to bring the like of this Quran (bimithlihi hatha al-Qurani), they could not bring the like of it, though some of them were aiders of others. S. 17:88
Now that the Truth has come to them from Us, they are saying: "Why is he (Muhammad) not given the like of what was given to Musa?" Have they not rejected that which was given to Musa before? They claim: "These (Torah and Qur'an) are the two works of sorcery complementing each other!" And they say: "We believe in neither." Ask them: "Bring a Book from Allah which is a better guide THAN THESE TWO, I will follow it, if what you say be true!" S. 28:48-49 Malik
Then, We gave Musa the Book, to complete (Our favor) upon those who would do right> (6:154) ...
<And this is a blessed Book which We have sent down, so follow it and have Taqwa of Allah, that you may receive mercy> (6:155).
if the Torah has been corrupted(Khas ve Shalom)then we could not fulfill this verse,so allah According to muslims gives commands wich are not Tryable!
First ,the Torah Standard Between True Prophet and False Prophet is As follows:
Deuteronomy 13 1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is TESTING you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his COMMANDMENTS and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
Thus the Distiguisher between a True and False Prophet is his Adherence to the 613 Miswoth.
2 Kings 23
3 The king stood by the pillar and RENEWED the covenant in the presence of the LORD—to follow the LORD and keep his COMMANDS, STATUTES and DECREES with all his heart and all his soul, thus confirming the words of the covenant written in this book. Then all the people pledged themselves to the covenant.
4 The king ordered Hilkiah the high priest, the priests next in rank and the doorkeepers to remove from the temple of the LORD all the articles made for Baal and Asherah and all the starry hosts. He burned them outside Jerusalem in the fields of the Kidron Valley and took the ashes to Bethel. 5 He did away with the idolatrous priests appointed by the kings of Judah to burn incense on the high places of the towns of Judah and on those around Jerusalem—those who burned incense to Baal, to the sun and moon, to the constellations and to all the starry hosts. 6 He took the Asherah pole from the temple of the LORD to the Kidron Valley outside Jerusalem and burned it there. He ground it to powder and scattered the dust over the graves of the common people. 7 He also tore down the quarters of the male shrine prostitutes that were in the temple of the LORD, the quarters where women did weaving for Asherah.
8 Josiah brought all the priests from the towns of Judah and desecrated the high places, from Geba to Beersheba, where the priests had burned incense. He broke down the gateway at the entrance of the Gate of Joshua, the city governor, which was on the left of the city gate. 9 Although the priests of the high places did not serve at the altar of the LORD in Jerusalem, they ate unleavened bread with their fellow priests.
10 He desecrated Topheth, which was in the Valley of Ben Hinnom, so no one could use it to sacrifice their son or daughter in the fire to Molek. 11 He removed from the entrance to the temple of the LORD the horses that the kings of Judah had dedicated to the sun. They were in the court[a] near the room of an official named Nathan-Melek. Josiah then burned the chariots dedicated to the sun.
12 He pulled down the altars the kings of Judah had erected on the roof near the upper room of Ahaz, and the altars Manasseh had built in the two courts of the temple of the LORD. He removed them from there, smashed them to pieces and threw the rubble into the Kidron Valley. 13 The king also desecrated the high places that were east of Jerusalem on the south of the Hill of Corruption—the ones Solomon king of Israel had built for Ashtoreth the vile goddess of the Sidonians, for Chemosh the vile god of Moab, and for Molek the detestable god of the people of Ammon. 14 Josiah smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles and covered the sites with human bones.
15 Even the altar at Bethel, the high place made by Jeroboam son of Nebat, who had caused Israel to sin—even that altar and high place he demolished. He burned the high place and ground it to powder, and burned the Asherah pole also. 16 Then Josiah looked around, and when he saw the tombs that were there on the hillside, he had the bones removed from them and burned on the altar to defile it, in accordance with the word of the LORD proclaimed by the man of God who foretold these things.
17 The king asked, "What is that tombstone I see?"
The people of the city said, "It marks the tomb of the man of God who came from Judah and pronounced against the altar of Bethel the very things you have done to it."
18 "Leave it alone," he said. "Don't let anyone disturb his bones." So they spared his bones and those of the prophet who had come from Samaria.
19 Just as he had done at Bethel, Josiah removed all the shrines at the high places that the kings of Israel had built in the towns of Samaria and that had aroused the LORD's anger. 20 Josiah slaughtered all the priests of those high places on the altars and burned human bones on them. Then he went back to Jerusalem.
21 The king gave this order to all the people: "Celebrate the Passover to the LORD your God, as it is written in this Book of the Covenant." 22 Neither in the days of the judges who led Israel nor in the days of the kings of Israel and the kings of Judah had any such Passover been observed. 23 But in the eighteenth year of King Josiah, this Passover was celebrated to the LORD in Jerusalem.
24 Furthermore, Josiah got rid of the mediums and spiritists, the household gods, the idols and all the other detestable things seen in Judah and Jerusalem. This he did to fulfill the requirements of the law written in the book that Hilkiah the priest had discovered in the temple of the LORD. 25 Neither before nor after Josiah was there a king like him who turned to the LORD as he did—with all his heart and with all his soul and with all his strength, in accordance with all the LAW OF MOSES.
Thus as We See the Law of Moses Was Being Practiced after the Time of solomon.
Deuteronomy 30
1 When all these blessings and curses I have set before you come on you and you take them to heart wherever the LORD your God disperses you among the nations, 2 and when you and your children return to the LORD your God and obey him with all your heart and with all your soul according to everything I command you today,
3 then the LORD your God will restore your fortunes[a] and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you.
4 Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the LORD your God will gather you and bring you back.
5 He will bring you to the land that belonged to your ancestors, and you will take possession of it. He will make you more prosperous and numerous than your ancestors. 6 The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.
7 The LORD your God will put all these curses on your enemies who hate and persecute you. 8 You will AGAIN obey the LORD and follow all his commands I am giving you TODAY.
9 Then the LORD your God will make you most prosperous in all the work of your hands and in the fruit of your womb, the young of your livestock and the crops of your land. The LORD will AGAIN delight in you and make you prosperous, just as he delighted in your ancestors,
10 if you obey the LORD your God and keep his commands and decrees that are written in THIS Torah and turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
11 Now what I am commanding you today is *******NOT ****** too difficult for you or beyond your reach. 12 It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, "Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" 13 ****Nor is it beyond the sea,****** so that you have to ask, "Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" 14 No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.
(Didn't Paul say the law is a Burden noone can keep?isn't this what Christians always Say?)
15 See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. 16 For I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to ******keep his commands, decrees and laws;***** then you will live and increase, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess.
(this shows that the purpose of the law is life,the reason god gave us israel is to practice the law)
17 But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, 18 I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed. You will not live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess.
2 Chronicles 6
16 "Now, LORD, the God of Israel, keep for your servant David my father the promises you made to him when you said, 'You shall never fail to have a successor to sit before me on the throne of Israel, if only your descendants are careful in all they do to walk before me according to my LAW, as you have done.'
17 And now, LORD, the God of Israel, let your word that you promised your servant David come true.
****** 18 "But will God really dwell on earth with humans? The heavens, even the highest heavens, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built! *******
19 Yet, LORD my God, give attention to your servant's prayer and his plea for mercy. Hear the cry and the prayer that your servant is praying in your presence.
20 May your eyes be open toward this temple day and night, this place of which you said you would put your Name there. May you hear the prayer your servant prays toward this place. 21 Hear the supplications of your servant and of your people Israel when they pray toward this place. Hear from heaven, your dwelling place; and when you hear, forgive.
I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I turn and devastate Ephraim. For I am God, and not man--the Holy One among you. I will not come in wrath.
Hosea 11:9
"I the LORD do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.Malachi 3:6
Psalm 102:27 But you remain the same, and your years will never end.
This is a permanent law for generations to come wherever you live: Never eat any fat or blood."Leviticus 3:17
Genesis 9:12
And God said, "This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come:
Genesis 17:7
I will establish my covenant as an EVERLASTING covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you.
Exodus 31:16
The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a LASTING covenant.
Leviticus 23:31
You shall do no work at all. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live.
(the word lasting here is u3lem wich means forever)
Numbers 15:15
The community is to have the same rules for you and for the foreigner residing among you; this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the foreigner shall be the same before the LORD:
(this refers to Converts)
Genesis 17:8
The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God."
(so much for Palestine being for the muslims)
Genesis 17:19
Then God said, "Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.
1 Chronicles 16:17
He confirmed it to Jacob as a decree, to Israel as an everlasting covenant:
Psalm 119:142
Your righteousness is everlasting and your law is true.
Isaiah 24:5
The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the laws, violated the statutes and broken the everlasting covenant.
Isaiah 45:17
But Israel will be saved by the LORD with an everlasting salvation; you will never be put to shame or disgraced, to ages everlasting.
Isaiah 55:3
Give ear and come to me; listen, that you may live. I will make an everlasting covenant with you, my faithful love promised to David.
(i.e the Messiah wich muslims Believe is the Dajjal!)
Isaiah 60:15
"Although you have been forsaken and hated, with no one traveling through, I will make you the everlasting pride and the joy of all generations.
Isaiah 61:8
"For I, the LORD, love justice; I hate robbery and wrongdoing. In my faithfulness I will reward my people and make an everlasting covenant with them.
Jeremiah 32:40
I will make an everlasting covenant with them: I will never stop doing good to them, and I will inspire them to fear me, so that they will never turn away from me.
Jeremiah 50:5
They will ask the way to Zion and turn their faces toward it. They will come and bind themselves to the LORD in an everlasting covenant that will not be forgotten.
Ezekiel 16:60
Yet I will remember the covenant I made with you in the days of your youth, and I will establish an everlasting covenant with you.
Ezekiel 37:26
I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and increase their numbers, and I will put my sanctuary among them forever.
Psalm 111:5-9
"He has given food to those who revere Him;
He will remember His covenant FOREVER
He has made known to His people the power of His works,
In giving them the heritage of the nations.
The works of His hands are true and just;
All His precepts are certain.
They are upheld forever and ever;
They are carried out in truth and uprightness.
He has sent deliverance to His people;
He has ordained His covenant FOREVER
Holy and awesome is His name."
Psalm 105:8-11, 45
He has remembered His covenant FOREVER
The word which He ordered to a thousand generations,
The covenant that He made with Abraham,
And His oath to Isaac.
Then He confirmed it to Jacob as a statute,
To Israel as a covenant EVELASTING
Saying, "To you I shall give the land of Canaan,
As the portion of your inheritance,"
....In order that they shall keep His statutes and observe His laws,
Praise the L-RD!
Psalm 119:44 "So I will keep Your Torah - continually forever and ever."
Psalm 119:111-112 "I have inherited Your testimonies forever, for they are the joy of my heart. For I have inclined my heart to do Your statutes forever, unto the end."
Psalm 119:144 "Your testimonies are forever right; Grant me understanding that I may live."
Psalm 119:152 "From long ago I have known your testimonies, that You have established them forever."
Leviticus 3:17 "It is a law forever throughout your generations in all your dwelling places.."
Leviticus 6:18 "it is a permanent law throughout all your generations.."
Leviticus 6:22 "by an eternal ordinance it shall be entirely offered.."
Leviticus 7:36 "it is an eternal law for their generations."
Leviticus 16:34 "Now this is to you an everlasting ordinance.."
Leviticus 16:29 "This is to you a permanent law.."
Leviticus 17:7 "This is to them for an everlasting law in all their generations.."
Leviticus 23:14 "is to you a perpetual ordinance in all your dwelling places throughout your generations.."
Numbers 15:15 "As for the community (of Israel), there shall be one law for you and for the one who converted and joined with you; An eternal Law throughout your generations, as you are, so shall the convert be before the ALL-TRANSCENDENT One."
Numbers 19:21 "So it is a law forever for them.."
A prophet or teacher (or preacher) who comes along and claims to believe that the 'Old Testament' is the Word of G-d, but at the same time believes that the 'Old Testament' is no longer applicable or valid, declares that the Almighty is a liar for saying all these statements listed here. In addition to this, anyone who teaches that the 'Old Testament' is abolished and is no longer applicable fulfills Deuteronomy 13:5 "But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams must be put to death, because he has instructed rebellion against the L-RD your G-d.....seducing you from the way in which the L-RD your G-d commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the wickedness from among you."
When this verse says 'the way in which the L-rd' commanded them to walk, it is referring to the Law of Moses, the Torah, as it plainly continues on to say:
"...heed the voice of the L-RD your Gd, by keeping all His commandments which I am commanding you today, and doing what is right in the sight of the L-RD your G-d." - Deuteronomy 13:18
"...the hidden things belong to the L-RD our G-d, but that which is revealed belongs to us and our sons forever to do all the words of this Torah."
- Deuteronomy 29:29
The Torah of the L-RD is whole, restoring the soul; The testimony of the L-RD is trustworthy, making the simple wise." - Psalm 19:7
"What all that I am commanding you, you shall not add to this Word, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the ALL-TRANSCENDENT your Exceedingly Powerful Authority, which I command you." - Deuteronomy 4:2
..that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he spoke bringing rebellion against the ALL-TRANSCENDENT your Exceedingly Powerful Authority, He Who brought you from the Land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery, (this false prophet has come) to seduce you to go away from the path in which the ALL-TRANSCENDENT your Exceedingly Powerful Authority commanded you to walk..." - Deuteronomy 13:5
The path that He commanded them to walk on is this same Torah (Law of Moses), as is clear from the context of this verse,
"...to walk after the ALL-TRANSCENDENT One, and to keep His commandments and His testimonies and His statues with all the heart and all the soul, to carry out the words of this covenant that were written in this Book,...according to all the Law of Moses." - II Kings 23:3,25
As is written, to walk contrary to THIS path is "to rebel against the ALL-TRANSCENDENT One." Therefore, ANYONE who teaches others to walk contrary to this Law of Moses is a false prophet worthy of the death penalty according to Deuteronomy 13:5.
The last book of the prophets, the Book of Malachi, ENDS with an admonition to remember the Torah (Law of Moses) before the "great and awesome day of the L-RD." Malachi 3:22 says,
"Remember the Law of Moses My servant, which I commanded him at Horeb, for all Israel - its decrees and statutes."
Thus as we can see from the Precise words of Hashem,his torahot and miswoth are Everlastingad can e changed by noone.
Ask Yourself Did jesus and His followers,and muhammad obey the torah or make their own laws?
To Those claiming the torah is corrupted(even though the Quran and hadith say that nowhere),Read Your own Verses:
The words of the Lord are perfect in truth and justice;
there is NONE who can change His words.
He both heareth and knoweth.
-- Sura 6:115
None can change the words of God;
-- Sura 6:34
There is no changing the words of God;
that is the mighty triumph.
-- Sura 10:64
And recite what has been revealed to you of the Book of your Lord,
there is none who can alter His words;
and you shall not find any refuge besides Him.
-- Sura 18:27
If you Say this refers to a ''lawhul mahfuz''preserved tablet.
2 problems Arise with this :
1.if someone is altering God's words in Canada,and not in spain,his words are STILL being altered,even if they are Kept perfectly in spain.
2.The qu'ran tells Us(the Jews)to judge by the torah,how can we Judge by something we don''t Have?
Q. 5:68
{Say: 'People of the Book, you do not stand on anything, until ye perform the Torah and the Gospel, and what was sent down toyou from your Lord.' And what has been sent down to thee from thy Lord will surely increase many of them in insolence and unbelief; so grieve not for the people of the unbelievers.}3.The ''fully Detailed''ánd ''clear''Quran as it Describes itself,has Failed to clarify what it actually means,and has given a false verse.
4.The qu'ran challenges the Pagans to Produce a book like the torah
Or do they say: He has forged it? Say: Then bring a chapter like this (mithlihi) and invite whom you can besides Allah, if you are truthful. S. 10:38
Or, do they say: He has forged it. Say: Then bring ten forged chapters like it (mithlihi) and call upon whom you can besides Allah, if you are truthful. S. 11:13
Say: If men and jinn should combine together to bring the like of this Quran (bimithlihi hatha al-Qurani), they could not bring the like of it, though some of them were aiders of others. S. 17:88
Now that the Truth has come to them from Us, they are saying: "Why is he (Muhammad) not given the like of what was given to Musa?" Have they not rejected that which was given to Musa before? They claim: "These (Torah and Qur'an) are the two works of sorcery complementing each other!" And they say: "We believe in neither." Ask them: "Bring a Book from Allah which is a better guide THAN THESE TWO, I will follow it, if what you say be true!" S. 28:48-49 Malik
Then, We gave Musa the Book, to complete (Our favor) upon those who would do right> (6:154) ...
<And this is a blessed Book which We have sent down, so follow it and have Taqwa of Allah, that you may receive mercy> (6:155).
if the Torah has been corrupted(Khas ve Shalom)then we could not fulfill this verse,so allah According to muslims gives commands wich are not Tryable!
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