maandag 16 mei 2011

The Jews,Torah and corruption,what is the truth?

Not all of them are alike. Some of the People of the Book are an upright people. They recite the signs (or verses) of God in the night season and they bow down worshipping. They believe in God and the last day. They command what is just, and forbid what is wrong and they hasten in good works, and they are of the righteous. S. 3:113-114

"Of the people of Moses there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth ... After them succeeded an (evil) generation: They inherited the Book, but they chose (for themselves) the vanities of this world, saying (for excuse): '(Everything) will be forgiven us.' (Even so), if similar vanities came their way, they would (again) seize them. Was not the covenant of the Book taken from them, that they would not ascribe to Allah anything but the truth? AND THEY STUDY WHAT IS IN THE BOOK. But best for the righteous is the home in the Hereafter. Will ye not understand? As to those WHO HOLD FAST BY THE BOOK and establish regular prayer, - never shall We suffer the reward of the righteous to perish." S. 7:159, 169-170 A. Yusuf Ali


But why do they come to thee for decision, WHEN THEY HAVE TORAH - THEREIN IS THE COMMAND OF ALLAH; yet even after that, they would turn away. For they are not (really) People of Faith. It was We who revealed the Torah (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islám) to Allah's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear Me, and sell not My signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are unbelievers. We ordained therein for them: 'Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.' But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are wrong-doers." S. 5:43-45

"And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, CONFIRMING THE TORAH THAT CAME BEFORE HIM: We sent him the Gospel: therein IS guidance and light, AND CONFIRMATION OF THE TORAH THAT HAD COME BEFORE HIM: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah. Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel." S. 5:46-47


Qur'an 2:89 "...a book from Allah verifying that which they have."
Qur'an 2:91 "...verifying that which they have."
Qur'an 2:101 "..threw the book of Allah behind their backs as if they knew nothing."
Qur'an 2:101 "..a messenger from Allah verifying that which they have."
Qur'an 2:140 "he who conceals a testimony that he has from Allah."
Qur'an 3:81 "...verifying that which is with you."
Qur'an 4:47 "...verifying what you have."
Qur'an 5:43 "They HAVE the Taurat wherein is Allah's Judgment."
Qur'an 20:133 "...has there not come clear evidence of what is in the previous books?"

But if you are in doubt as to what We have revealed to you, ask those who read the Book before you; certainly the truth has come to you from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the disputers.

Qur'an 10:94

Sura 7:156-157:

"And I will write down (my mercy) for those who are righteous and give alms and who believe in our signs; who follow the apostle, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in the Torah and the Gospel THAT IS WITH THEM.

Sura 5:71:

"Say, O People of the Book! You are not (founded) on anything UNTIL you PERFORM the TORAH and the GOSPEL, and what was revealed to you from your Lord."
Sura 3:93-94:

"All food was lawful to the children of Israel except what Israel made unlawful for itself before the Torah was revealed. Say, `BRING the TORAH and READ it, if you are men of truth.' If any, after this, invent a lie and attribute it to God, they are indeed transgressors."
Sura. 28:48-49:

"But when the truth has come to them from Us, they say: `why is he not given the like of what was given to Moses?' Did they not disbelieve in that which was given to Moses before? They say: `Two kinds of magic (the Torah and the Quran) each helping the other!' And they say: `Verily! In both we are disbelievers.' Say (to them, O Muhammad): `Then bring a Book from Allah, which is a better guide than these TWO (the Torah and the Quran), that I may follow it, if you are truthful.'"

( muslims ALWAYS say produce poetry like the quran,yet the ''bring a surah like it Challenge ''also refers to the Torah!if the Torah were not available,how could people fulfill the Challenge?)

Sura 2:113:

"The Jews say, `The Christians are not (founded) upon anything.' And the Christians say, `The Jews are not (founded) upon anything.' And yet THEY READ THE BOOK."
Sura 3:79:

"It is not for a man to whom is given the Book and wisdom and prophecy that he should then say to people, `Be worshippers of me in place of God.' But rather, `Be true teachers (rabbáníyín), since you TEACH the BOOK and you STUDY IT EARNESTLY."

(muhammad is telling us to Be Rabbis)


Sura 5:48:

"To you (Muhammad) We revealed the book in truth, attesting to that which IS between his hands from the scripture , and guarding it (wa muhaiminan `alaihi).


Sura 10:37:

"This Quran is not such as can be produced by other than God; but it is a verification of that (the Torah and Gospel) which IS between his (its) hands, and the explanation of the Book, WHEREIN THERE IS NO DOUBT, from the Lord of the worlds."


Sura 46:12:

"And before this was the Book of Moses as a guide and a mercy: and this Book is a verification (of it) in the Arabic tongue to warn those who transgress and as glad tidings to the righteous."
Sura 26:192-197:

"And lo! It is a revelation of the Lord of the Worlds, which the True Spirit hath brought down upon thy heart, that thou mayest be (one) of the warners, In Plain Arabic Speech. And lo! It is in the Scriptures of the men of old. Is it not a token for them that the doctors of the children of Israel know it?"

Ayah 15:9 [Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr and surely, We will guard it],

Muslims always use this to say god WILL guard the quran but WAIT

In the past We granted to Moses and Aaron the Criterion (al-Furqana) (for judgment), And a Light and a Message (Zikra) for those who would do right." [S. 21:48]

"Before this, We wrote in the Psalms, after THE REMINDER (Zhikri): `My servants, the righteous, shall inherit the earth.'" [S. 21:105]

THE TORAH IS ALSO THE DHIKR

2.The quran only says some people distorted the Book with THEIR tongues:

S. 2:79, but rather to the following verses:

There is among them a section who distort the Book WITH THEIR TONGUES: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, "That is from Allah," but it is not from Allah. It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! S. 3:78


Al- Qur'an Says that the Bible:
  1. Was in the possession of Yahya, Mary and Jesus - 3:48; 19:12; 66:12
  2. Was with or in the possession of the Jews of Muhammad's day
    - 2:41,89,91,101,140; 3:81; 4:47; 5:43; 16:43-44; 21:7
  3. Was shown in public by them - 6:92
  4. Was heard by them - 2:75
  5. Was believed in by them - 2:85,91,121; 11:17
  6. Was read (qaraa) by them and the Christians - 10:94
  7. Was studied (darasa) by them and the Christians - 3:79; 6:156; 7:169
  8. Was recited (talawa) by them and the Christians - 2:44,113,121; 3:93,113;
    "with true recitation" - 2:121
  9. Was available to Muhammad - 3:93; 28:49
  10. Was available to anyone in Muhammad's time and could be called upon to determine truth in theological disputes - 3:23,93; 7:157; 26:196-197; 46:10; 53:36-38; and was in fact used by a Jew in comparison to the Qur'an - 46:10 (see Ibn Ishaq, pp 240-241).
 And they measure not the power of Allah its true measure when they say: Allah hath naught revealed unto a human being. Say (unto the Jews who speak thus): Who revealed the Book which Moses brought, a light and guidance for mankind, which ye have put on parchments which ye show, but ye hide much (thereof), and (by which) ye were taught that which ye knew not yourselves nor (did) your fathers (know it)? Say: Allah. Then leave them to their play of cavilling.(6:92)




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"No change can there be in the Words of Allah (Sura 10:64)
"There is none that can alter the Words of Allah (Sura 6:34)

We have a PROBLEM:

1.if we Believe the Quran,i.e affirm the torah,we cant be muslim,as the Two books Contradict.

2.if we Claim the Torah is Corrupted we can't Be muslim as we are denying :No change can there be in the Words of Allah (Sura 10:64)
"There is none that can alter the Words of Allah (Sura 6:34)

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