As for Jesus name in the Records of the jews,he is mentioned in the Writings of Josephus.
as far as i know,he is NOT mentioned in the Talmud,some christians take talmudic quotes about Other ''jesuses''and apply them to Jesus son of Mary,in the talmud.
a Great example being that Jesus was the son of a bastard,mary was a Whore,and that he is boiling in hot excrement in hell,many of these passages calling him a sorcerer,and that his mother played harlot with carpenters is refering to Balaam and not Jesus.the Tradition regarding Balaam's Bastard descendance is also recorded in the Tanchuma [Balak, 5] and in Yalkut Shimoni [Numbers, 771].Talmud Gittin 56b-57a does mention yeshu,but this yeshu is a jew who mixed greek mythology with judaism from the 1st century not the jesus of the 33 A.D.
Ben Stada who was considered to be a practicer of black magic. His mother was named Miriam and also called Stada. His father was named Pappos Ben Yehudah. Miriam (Stada) had an affair with Pandira from which Ben Stada was born.most christians think this refers to jesus son of mary.another jesus mentioned in the Talmud was Yeshu student of Yohoshua ben Perachiah. as we See the Negative References to Jesus in The Talmud,do not Refer to Jesus son of Mary.
Objection 2:The Talmud is Pedophilic
Talmud Ketuvot 11b
Rav Yehudah said in the name of Rav: A male child who has relations with a female adult causes her to be like one who was injured with a stick... Rava said: This is what was meant - an adult male who has relations with a female child has not done anything because less than this [three years old] is like sticking a finger into an eyeball.
''this refers to the dowry.if a girl is abused,then later on this should not effect her dowry,as she is still a virgin.it is not justifying doing such a act.a virgin(betullah)is entitled to a higher Dowry then a non-Virgin.dowry is mohar.
Sex outside of a marriage is strictly forbidden (Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Ishut 1:4, Hilchot Na'arah Betulah 2:17; Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer 26:1, 177:5)
Atleast for Jews.a Gentile who Does not Commit Adultery(That is with a Married person)is not commiting a sin.a Marriage in regard to Gentiles is if a woman lives with the man.when she leaves the house of the man,they are divorced.
Objection 3:you must lie About the Talmud!
as for lying to Gentiles about the Talmud that is quoted in Libbre David 37,however this book,if it even exists is very hard to find in major Yeshiva universities,and if it ever existed,it was certainly not mainstream.The Yad Eliyahu (responsa 48) suggests that even though it is forbidden to lie about the Torah or Talmud, when there is a clear and present threat to human life it is better to lie than to have blood shed. According to the Yad Eliyahu, the rabbi would lie to the disgruntled pig farmer until he is calm and disarmed.however both Rabbi's Horowitz and Luria said it is better to Die then to change even one word of the Torah.that means it is very serious to lie about the Talmud.
Objection 4:You shall be Put to Death for Insulting the Rabbis.
Indeed,this is found in the Torah :, Devarim 17: בִּשְׁעָרֶיךָ: וְקַמְתָּ וְעָלִיתָ--אֶל-הַמָּקוֹם, אֲשֶׁר יִבְחַר יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ בּוֹ. 8 If there arise a matter too hard for thee in judgment, between blood and blood, between plea and plea, and between stroke and stroke, even matters of controversy within thy gates; then shalt thou arise, and get thee up unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose.
ט וּבָאתָ, אֶל-הַכֹּהֲנִים הַלְוִיִּם, וְאֶל-הַשֹּׁפֵט, אֲשֶׁר יִהְיֶה בַּיָּמִים הָהֵם; וְדָרַשְׁתָּ וְהִגִּידוּ לְךָ, אֵת דְּבַר הַמִּשְׁפָּט. 9 And thou shall come unto the priests the Levites, and unto the judge that shall be in those days; and thou shalt inquire; and they shall declare unto thee the sentence of judgment.
י וְעָשִׂיתָ, עַל-פִּי הַדָּבָר אֲשֶׁר יַגִּידוּ לְךָ, מִן-הַמָּקוֹם הַהוּא, אֲשֶׁר יִבְחַר יְהוָה; וְשָׁמַרְתָּ לַעֲשׂוֹת, כְּכֹל אֲשֶׁר יוֹרוּךָ. 10 And thou shalt do according to the tenor of the sentence, which they shall declare unto thee from that place which the LORD shall choose; and thou shalt observe to do according to all that they shall teach thee.
יא עַל-פִּי הַתּוֹרָה אֲשֶׁר יוֹרוּךָ, וְעַל-הַמִּשְׁפָּט אֲשֶׁר-יֹאמְרוּ לְךָ--תַּעֲשֶׂה: לֹא תָסוּר, מִן-הַדָּבָר אֲשֶׁר-יַגִּידוּ לְךָ--יָמִין וּשְׂמֹאל. 11 According to the law which they shall teach thee, and according to the judgment which they shall tell thee, thou shalt do; thou shalt not turn aside from the sentence which they shall declare unto thee, to the right hand, nor to the left.
יב וְהָאִישׁ אֲשֶׁר-יַעֲשֶׂה בְזָדוֹן, לְבִלְתִּי שְׁמֹעַ אֶל-הַכֹּהֵן הָעֹמֵד לְשָׁרֶת שָׁם אֶת-יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ, אוֹ, אֶל-הַשֹּׁפֵט--וּמֵת הָאִישׁ הַהוּא, וּבִעַרְתָּ הָרָע מִיִּשְׂרָאֵל. 12 And the man that doeth presumptuously, in not hearkening unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die; and thou shalt exterminate the evil from Israel.
יג וְכָל-הָעָם, יִשְׁמְעוּ וְיִרָאוּ; וְלֹא יְזִידוּן, עוֹד. {ס} 13 And all the people shall hear, and fear, and do no more presumptuously. {S}
not only does this Passage Authorize the Talmud,it is in line with the Talmud.
Objection 5:The Talmud is more important then the Bible.
Talmud Shabbat 128b
Removing a utensil from its prepared function is a rabbinic prohibition, causing pain to animals is a biblical prohibition. The biblical prohibition comes and overrides the rabbinic prohibition.
Objection 6:The Talmud is Racist towards Gentiles:
Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Teshuvah 3:4 based on Tosefta Sanhedrin 13:1; Talmud Sanhedrin 105a
Righteous gentiles have a place in the world to come.
Jerusalem Talmud Peah 1:1
It says (Job 37:23): "With justice and an abundance of kindness, He does not deal harshly." G-d does not withhold reward from gentiles who perform His commandments.
Midrash Bamidbar Rabbah 8:2
(Psalms 146:8) "G-d loves the righteous." G-d said: 'I love those who love Me and so it says (1 Samuel 2:30) "For I honor those who honor Me." They love Me so I love them in return.' Why does G-d love the righteous? Because righteousness is not an inheritance or a family trait. You find that priests are from a priestly family and Levites are from a levitical family as it says (Psalms 135:19-20) "O house of Aaron bless G-d! O house of Levi bless G-d!" If someone wants to become a priest [from the family of Aaron] or a Levite he cannot because his father was not a priest or a Levite. However, if someone wants to become righteous even if he is a gentile he can because it is not a family trait as it says (ibid.) "O those who fear G-d bless G-d!" It does not say the house of those who fear G-d but those who fear G-d. It is not a family trait rather on their own they chose to fear and love G-d. Therefore, G-d loves them.
Midrash Sifra, Acharei Mot 9:13
(Leviticus 18:5) "Which man shall carry out and by which he shall live." Rabbi Yirmiyah would say: We see from here that even a gentile who fulfills his laws is like a [Jewish] high priest. He would also say: (2 Samuel 7:19) "And that would be fitting for priests, Levites, and Israelites" is not what it says rather "and that would be fitting for great men - O Lord G-d." He would also say: (Isaiah 26:2) "Open the gates so the priests, Levites, and Israelites may enter" is not what it says rather "Open the gates so the righteous nation, keeper of the faith, may enter." He would also say: (Psalms 118:20) "This is the gate of G-d; priests, Levites, and Israelites" is not what it says rather "This is the gate of G-d; the righteous shall enter through it." He would also say: (Psalms 33:1) "Sing joyfully, O priests, Levites, and Israelites" is not what it says rather "Sing joyfully, O righteous, because of G-d." He would also say: (Psalms 125:4) "Do good, G-d, to the priests, Levites, and Israelites" is not what it says rather "Do good, G-d, to good people." We see from here that even a gentile who follows his commandments is [as righteous as the Jewish] high priest.
Objection 7:The Talmud Calls Gentiles ''Goy''wich means animal.
This is Refuted by the torah Itself:ו וְאַתֶּם תִּהְיוּ-לִי מַמְלֶכֶת כֹּהֲנִים, וְגוֹי קָדוֹשׁ: אֵלֶּה, הַדְּבָרִים, אֲשֶׁר תְּדַבֵּר, אֶל-בְּנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל. 6 and ye shall be unto Me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation(גוֹי קָדוֹשׁ). These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.'
גוֹיmeans nation not ''ánimal''.
According to Strong in his biblical lexicon :
Lexicon Results
Strong's H1471 - gowy
גּוֹי
Transliteration gowy | Pronunciation gō'·ē (Key) | |
Parts of Speech masculine noun, proper masculine noun | Root Word (Etymology) Apparently from the same root as גֵּוָה (H1465) | |
TWOT Reference | ||
Outline of Biblical Usage
n m
1) nation, people
a) nation, people
1) usually of non-Hebrew people
2) of descendants of Abraham
3) of Israel
b) of swarm of locusts, other animals (fig.)
n pr m
c) Goyim? = "nations"
the Word ''animal''in Hebrew is Chayah wich means ''living''.
Objection 8:But The Talmud states,Gentiles are slaves of the Jews.
I don't Know if the Talmud states this,However the Neviim state the goyim shall serve the jews.this is no different then the Levites '''Serving'''The cohanim.it is a Religious Service to the almighty and not a slavery.
